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I've seen a number of people wanting to compare the D800e with the Monochrome M9.
For work in the Lab- I bought one of each of Nikon's Micro-Nikkors with the D1x and Nikon E3. Great for close-up, technical documentation work. I'll use the same lenses with the D800e.
For the M9 Monochrome- especially for a fine-art application in low-light- I would be going for Vintage fast-glass. My M9 usually has a lens from the 1930s on it. The M9 Monochrome- I'll be using lenses designed for black and white. A 1934 uncoated Sonnar 5cm F1.5, should do wonders on it.
The big difference between digital and film is in the handing of shadow detail and highlights. Modern lenses, multi-coated tend to be higher contrast and have tamed internal reflections. Low-contrast lenses tend to compress the intensity range to one that is ore easily recorded on a digital sensor, and veiling flare tends to fill in shadows.
In any event, if you go with the Nikon D800e get a 5.8cm F1.4 Nikkor-S and have it converted to AI coupling. Lower-contrast, slightly longer FL.
If you get the M9m, you have a lot of vintage glass to choose from.
I will most likely order a D800e for work, to replace my D1x. It's about 1/2 the price that the D1x was 10 years ago.
I will be in line for the M9 monochrome- and should be able to do a comparison.
Withdrawn- this will be the second lens to be used with my M9 Monochrome.
The first will be the 1934 5cm f1.5 Sonnar in LTM.
Summicron is no longer available. I've decided to keep this one. This one is collectible, but after bleaching- as good as the non-radioactive lens.
I had a request for some color pictures taken with the Collapsible Summicron.
These are on the Leica M8, straight exports from DNG to JPEG, no changes to the color rendition.
PERSONALLY: I think the UV treatment that I have this lens worked, and it is ready to go for Color. I have a later Collapsible Summicron, it gives a “colder” cast to the color. This one is more like having a Skylight Filter.
Pictures are with the IR Cut filter.
At F2:
at F4:
That's a Gnat in the picture to the left of the flower. Pixel-Peeped it.
F2:
100% crop:
F4:
F2:
[/All of the detectors used in Digital cameras are “natively” sensitive to Infrared. IR absorbing glass and/or IR reflecting filters keep the Infrared out.
The M8 has an IR absorbing filter over the sensor, but it is 95~98% effective (roughly). The M9 has a thicker filter that absorbs more IR than the one on the M8.
Put an IR cut filter on the lens used with the M8: the IR reflecting filter on the lens+ the IR absorbing filter built into the M8 CUTS Infrared more than the M9 filter.
What size filters are you looking for? You might post a Want to Buy in the classifieds.
Canon 50/1.9 Serenar is Sold.
Lens is sold. M9M funds approaching critical mass.
On Hold.
This question came up on getdpi.com, I did a quick test with the M8+IR cut filter, M8 without filter, and M9.
Leica UV/IR filter over lens, C-Sonnar 50/1.5 wide-open, 1/4th second exposure.
Leica M8 WITHOUT the UV/IR filter over lens, C-Sonnar 50/1.5 wide-open, 1/8th second.
I've used a Wratten 88A filter with the M8, just to see what happens. Reasonable (near) IR results. But I have two full-spectrum cameras, the most used being a modified Olympus EP2.
Just to add: The M9 without the IR Cut filter over the lens has some IR sensitivity, but much lower than the M8 used without the cut filter. The M9 shows more IR leakage than the M8 used with the IR cut filter over the lens.
For the comparison- Leica M9, 5cm f1.5 Sonnar, no Hot Mirror Filter. 1/4 second wide-open.
SO: Some IR leakage, much less than the M8 w/o filter. After seeing this, I don't mind leaving the Hot Mirror filters on the fast lenses for the M9.
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I am familiar with sensor artifacts, would help to see your photos.
If this occurs only under certain lighting conditions, it's easy to tell. Usually a saturated area on the detector drags down other areas. If extaneous light hits the calibration portion of the detector, odd things happen. If it is happening with all of your pictures, the sensor itself has a problem.
If you change the settings of your Flickr image, will be able to look at it.
JUST FOR A COMPARISON! THESE are with my 1938 Zeiss Sonnar 5cm F1.5 that I converted to Leica Mount using a Jupiter-3 focus module.
I also took some pictures with my 1938 Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar “T” 5cm F1.5 while testing the Jupiter. This is my best Sonnar. One of the first Sonnars marked “T”, my 1936 Sonnar is factory coated- but no “T”.
1938 Sonnar “T” at F1.5:
1938 Sonnar “T” at F1.5:
100% crop:
Note the actual focus is slightly behind the J-3 shot. We are way past acceptable DOF at this 100% pixel-peep.
I have 3 original Zeiss 5cm F1.5 Sonnars in Leica mount, 4 pre-war F1.5 Sonnars that I converted to Leica mount, and a ZK Sonnar in LTM.
This Jupiter-3 is within a hair of the best of the Sonnars for sharpness, and gives a slightly warmer cast to the colors. Both lenses had a UV filter on them. The 1938 Sonnar is coated on all surfaces, the Jupiter-3 has an uncoated rear triplet.
Sold on getdpi.com.
I will be listing a number of lenses. If I get the M9 Monochrome- it will be paid for by selling gear.
1951 Jupiter-3 with German glass and shimmed for Leica coming up next.
I used to shoot Panatomic-X developed in Microdol, 35 years ago.
The M9 is as close to using a classic film camera as any digital camera gets. The M9M is as close to using black and white film as any digital camera gets. Some people don't want to spend all of their time in Photoshop to mimic the results of black and white film. I never post-processed my output from the monochrome Kodak to “look like film”. I went as far as writing my own raw convertor to retain the original output as it came off of the CCD. It was very clean, kind of like Pan-X in Microdol.
As far as whether this camera will be popular- Leica will sell all that they make. Now the real question for when the M10 comes out, and if there is no M10m- Will Leica Convert existing M9's to Monochrome? Change out the sensor, load the new firmware. Done.
jto555;2237 wrote: I am sorry, but what a waste of time! An M9M that costs more than an M9 but I bet will have a lower resale value in a years time.
I am guessing here but if Leica is having supply issues with the M9 sensor maybe the M10 was supposed to be launched on M(ay)10th but there is also a supply issue there too.
The resale value of the M9-M will be higher than standard a standard M9 or any other color camera. The resale value of the DCS760m was far higher than the DCS760, about a factor of 4. Monochrome cameras are, and continue to be low-production items that serve a very dedicated user base. Once you shoot with a dedicated monochrome camera, it's difficult to be happy with a converted digital color image.
This is a good move by Leica to serve a loyal customer base.
