- April 22, 2012 at 4:06 pm #2233
I have a question for Leica M users. Many years ago I shot Leica M film cameras but eventually sold them off, including four beautiful lenses. I recently came back into the Leica fold, with a new M9P and four lenses. The angle of coverage of three of the lenses does not line up accurately with the frame lines in the viewfinder. All three lenses (28, 50, 90) cover a significantly larger area than that indicated in the viewfinder. I sent the camera and all four lenses into Leica USA and they purportedly fixed this issue. The gear came back and the same exact problem exists. Go to the URL below to see photos that clearly illustrates this problem. Can any of you tell me if this is “normal”, or, should the viewfinder framing lines, line up precisely with what the lenses actually “see”.
http://weidmanphoto.com/leica_m9p_viewfinder_test/
Thanks for your input on this.
Mark Weidman
- April 23, 2012 at 5:53 am #2236Jack MacDEstablished MemberUSA, St. Louis, MO and Phoenix, AZJoin Date: Jun 2011Posts: 367Currently using:
Leica M, Leica S, Leica CLOfflineAs I understand it, the M9 finder lines are accurate if shooting within 3 feet. the M8.2 had accuracy set to six feet. I wish the 9 had kept the frame lines to the 6ft. distance. All an issue with rangefinders.
This is discussed in depth on this l-cmaera forum:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/129686-m9-viewfinder-lens-not-accurate.html
Jack - April 23, 2012 at 12:34 pm #2238
Thanks for the link Jack, I just read through all the old posts about this topic. I assumed it was too obscure of a problem for previous discussion, which clearly was a mistake. At best I now at least feel a little better learning my M9P is not malfunctioning.
Mark
- April 23, 2012 at 4:56 pm #2239David FarkasNewbieHollywood, FLJoin Date: Aug 2014Posts: 414Currently using:
Leica M, Leica S, Leica SL, Leica CLOfflinehmarkweidman;2139 wrote: Thanks for the link Jack, I just read through all the old posts about this topic. I assumed it was too obscure of a problem for previous discussion, which clearly was a mistake. At best I now at least feel a little better learning my M9P is not malfunctioning.
Mark
Mark,
Just to add to what Jack already wrote (and the long thread on L-Camera-Forum), The M9 and M9-P frame lines are calibrated at 1m. The M8.2 was 2m and the M8 was 0.7m. Most previous film M cameras were also calibrated to 1m.
The reason for 1m frame lines is so that close subjects (most M lenses focus down to 1m and some are 0.7m) won’t be cropped relative to the frame lines. Long distance framing was more accurate with the 2m frame lines of the M8.2. But, when shooting at closest focusing distance the frame lines showed more than what was captured. This wasn’t desirable as you ended up cropping out picture details. So, the 2m frame lines were changed back to 1m.
With an optical rangefinder system, it is impossible to have accurate framing at minimum distance and at infinity. Leica’s rationale is that it is better to include a little more information than expected rather than a little less, so the 1m seems to be a good compromise.
Hope this helps to summarize.
David Farkas
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Leica Store Miami - April 23, 2012 at 7:38 pm #2241
hmarkweidman;2132 wrote: I have a question for Leica M users. Many years ago I shot Leica M film cameras but eventually sold them off, including four beautiful lenses. I recently came back into the Leica fold, with a new M9P and four lenses. The angle of coverage of three of the lenses does not line up accurately with the frame lines in the viewfinder. All three lenses (28, 50, 90) cover a significantly larger area than that indicated in the viewfinder. I sent the camera and all four lenses into Leica USA and they purportedly fixed this issue. The gear came back and the same exact problem exists. Go to the URL below to see photos that clearly illustrates this problem. Can any of you tell me if this is “normal”, or, should the viewfinder framing lines, line up precisely with what the lenses actually “see”.
http://weidmanphoto.com/leica_m9p_viewfinder_test/
Thanks for your input on this.
Mark Weidman
This is standard practice with rangefinders and should be cause for objection. So long as you get at least what you see, why worry? SLRs for years have displayed about 96% of what is recorded on the film, because slide mounts and printing cropped in a little around the edges. The Nikon ‘100%’ viewfinder was ludicrous: what good is is to see something you can’t print?!!!
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