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Oh No! This is the one item I really wanted from Photokina.
Paratom;5930 wrote: I am constantly fighting with the M 240 color. It just looks pinkish to me. I also tried custom profile I generated with x-rite. Slightly better but not perfect.
I am even evaluating to go back to a M9p.
By the way there are some cmos which looks fine to me. The A900, the K5 looks ok and the 5dIII is not that bad in regards of color.
To me the “S” sensor still looks best in this regards. Thats why I hope Leica will stay with CCD in the S system.The pinkish tint maybe coming from IR contamination . The M240 sensor cover glass appears to be weaker than the M9 ….tests with IR filters are showing its slight IR contamination . I did not see much or any of this in daylight shooting but every so often I get a capture that defies color balancing . Some M users are just reverting to IR filters when they are shooting under conditions where it really matters .
The trade off appears to be the performance of the wide angel lenses …thin glass …excellent wide angle performance …thicker glass …less IR .
The biggest advantage of the M240 for me has been the performance at ISO 1600 where the M9 was just terrible and the M240 is excellent . ISO1600 and a 1.4 summilux and I can handle most situations . If I could shoot at ISO640 or less..I would keep using the M9 .
What a beauty ! How rare is it to catch the fog like that ? I ve never seen a photograph with the fog right on the ocean .
Looks like I have the same problem. Used the products on m8/m9 with no problem and then on the S2 asap . Pulled off the original protector today and it looks like the screen is shot .
Al..did you try to clean it yourself with anything ?
albertknappmd;4654 wrote: Over the years, I have purchased LED screen plastic protectors from a company in New Jersey called Screenpatronus http://www.screenpatronus.com/screen-protector-policies.html for my M8, M9P, R8-9 DMRs and most recently my S2. The clear plastic protectors were adverstised as safe and guarranteed against workmanship defects.
I would apply them prior to a trip and then removed them when storing the camera.
I recently returned form 10 days in Icleand with my S2 and found that the protector had left a very perceptable and indellible film on the LED.
I sent the camera to Leica as the film was very obvious and even they could not remove it! I ended up having to replace the LED which cost about $1200.00 (USD)
I contacted Screenpatronus and explained the problem. At first, they stated that I was not in their “customer base” and had never purchased the item from them. I emailed a copy of the purchase order and then they “found me”. I then forwarded a detailed screed stating how and when the protector was applied, how previous protectors ahd never had a problem and, as a physician, how meticulous my technique has and had always bee.. The representative at Screenpatronus eventually responded to my inquiry stating that I had probably misapplied the screen protector and that the film/residue was “my fault”. Furthermore, they stated that I had purchased the product several years ago and that it was not under warranty. In fact, the “warranty” was only for 30 days after purchase!
To add insult to injury, they then implied that if I told my story to the camera community they would refer the issue to their attorneys.
I informed the hapless Screenpatronus representative that I was weighing my legal options and was not going to be cowed by their clumsy threats… Furthermore, I reminded them that the First Amendment to the Constitution still applies!
Please draw your own conclusions and caveat emptor!
Jack
Thanks for sharing what a great print and illustration of the 4'x6′ size .
Roger
Mark
Very nice ..looks like a great trip. 😎
Roger
Jack
Very nice ! The S lenses really do seem to be at a level of perfection I never seen in any system .
Josh
A few of use purchased the extended warranty for Leica on the S2 . This was done at the time we purchased the camera in my case January 2011. It was my understanding that the warranty was just one year . So I have assumed my warranty was up in January 2013 .
It was darn expensive around $1700 and for my limited use seemed a better bet to self insure .
Roger
Mark Gowin;4188 wrote: Unfortunately, I got to experience some winter weather too this weekend. I much preferred the warm south Florida climate from the weekend prior. At least I was out shooting so it isn't all bad.
Sparks Lane, Cades Cove, Great Smoky Mountains National Park
You can feel the cold in that photograph. Very nice image worthy of a large print . 😀
So what happened to the promised upgrade program ?
So it looks like only the original purchaser of a new lens from an authorized dealer will qualify ….seems reasonable . Maybe not as difficult a process as it looked at first glance . Great for the S2 owners .
Now if they can just start supplying the lenses . 😎
[QUOTE=fotografz;3753]Leica cannot make this their customer's problem. It is their problem, and they should solve it. If they wanted to limit the time-line, then they should have clearly and concisely done it up front, not after the fact.
Marc
I have no ax to grind here as I never considered the CS versions in my purchase decision . Leica is clearly in a jam way beyond what was anticipated with the trade in program . My “recommendation” was just a way to force out some of the challenges .
Leica needs a cut off date on the “program” ..it can be last year , today or when the first CS lens is available ….they clearly have the right to not extend the program to future purchases of S lenses. But they have to get their arms around this .
They need policies in areas never anticipated :
1. Is the condition of the trade in lens at all a factor? The original buyer can t do much about wear if he can t get a CS lens. However should Leica have to accept at well below FMV lenses that may have been used hard ? How about lenses that have been abused ?
2. Do they have to extend the program to other than the original purchase ? You can buy a used 70 for as low as $3K and then trade up for $1500 . ($6k-4.5) .
3. How should they allocate new lenses ? You and others have been waiting forever ! Yet if all CS lenses go to existing trade ins ….how will they sell the new S?
4. How should they administer the program ? Let the dealers handle it ? (chaos prediction) . Solms ..register and get in line ?
5. What to do with the used S lenses?
Whats fair ? What could work? Creating a straw man solution is just a way to identify the issues and things that should be addressed by a decent program .
Excellent work ! I had seen some of these earlier and agree that Mark has some real talent. David and Andre have the inside on the model shots in Florida … hope you can come down in January
The question is whats fair and responsive ? Leica clearly needs to extend the Sept10,2010 cut off ..not only because the CS lenses were not available ..but also because you could not get S lenses either .
I would expect that they will try to draw a line someplace. Without a cut off you could just pick up a few used S lenses and trade them in for a discount on a new CS lens .
Anyway my thoughts were just a hypothetical solution that should bring out the challenges Leica faces .
Here is my recommendation to Leica (for what its worth) .
1. Establish a clear cut off date for lenses that can be upgraded . (sometime in 2011). This should account for the delay in getting any S lens and can be done as an extension of of the OCT 2010 deadline . Lens purchased after the date aren t covered .
2. Would be desirable to only allow the trade in to the original purchaser and require an invoice(not sure if this can be done).
3. Establish a window of time and cut off for submitting a claim for CS lens. This establishes the number .
4. Flow all CS trade ins thru Solms or NJ (sorry not popular but thats how they sold the lenses on the M8 problem). All S lenses (USA)would be sent to NJ for evaluation and sign off .
5. Maintain a separate priority for trade ins and allocate part of new production to trade ins and part to new sales .
6. Run the trade ins thru Solms for certification and establish a certified resale program for S lenses.
So its ..establish a policy and protocol for the program, take the dealers out of the middle and fill the orders from an allocation .
